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Aren't the Admins supposed to be the mature ones?
Published on May 21, 2004 By Darius Farrar In Blogging
First off, I'm not saying all Admins here are immature, but that there is at least one who is. I think it fair to at least call it to the attention of the other admins.

Where I was brought up, people could always discuss things in a civilized manner, even if people were totally opposed to each other (I'm talking about at school... not at home). If I disagreed with Person X, I let him know and explained my reasoning for opposing him. He usually reciprocated. I have never gotten to the degree of shouting at someone in an argument (outside of the home). Mainly, because it is excessively inappropriate in public places to shout. Additionally, shouting can detract from your own argument, it clouds your thoughts and brings too much emotion into the issue. Lastly shouters lack basic grammar which often results in hard to read sentences, a significant bar to communication. Shouting pretty much bars any chance of civilized debate.

The same goes for the internet. Shouting generally is done by those people that don't know what shouting means ("how do I get my letters out of caps... and why is this little green light on on my keyboard") or the people who are too immature to deal with an issue they feel passionately about in a intelligent fashion. Such people often fall into the same category as people who are sometimes referred to as AOLers (LIEK TAHT SIET TAHT HAS A TRANSLA2R WHICH TRANSLAETS SIMPL3 TAXT IN2 CORUPTED AOLAR SPECH).

Because of this and other quality control issues (the main being trolls... which I'll get to in a moment), internet sites have evolved a system of Admins and Moderators to control this. The Admins or Moderators tend to be more mature people who deal with content that is inappropriate. In addition to having the power of controlling conversations, they also have the responsibility to set an example for other users. Though usually they succeed at this, occasionally Admins will loose their cool.

Everyone knows what trolling is. My take on it is essentially that it is a comment that does not add anything intelligent to the discussion. Trolls can use shouting, but often they won't, because people that shout are usually disregarded.

In my most recent blog article, Draginol said this:

Let me help you out:

THEY CUT THE HEAD OFF OF AN INNOCENT PERSON ON TELEVISION SLOWLY WHILE HE SCREAMED THE ENTIRE TIME, HELD UP THE HEAD TO THE CAMERA AND THEN DUMPED THE BODY BY THE ROAD.


As I read down the page, the first thing I thought was "Oh, this was the guy that engineered the entire site, which is an example of his intelligence. I'm sure he will have something very intelligent to say on my response to Senator McCain's comments."

Then, I read what he actually said, and was sorely disappointed. For one, he shouted, which was inappropriate. His didn't use basic english grammar, and his comment added absolutely nothing to the discussion. And he's an admin. This comment is a perfect example of what should be gotten rid of on moderated boards. Even if his comment did have anything intelligent to say, it would have been too obscured by the shouting. He may have felt emotional about the issue, (as obviously he did), but this is not the way to express it. He could have said something like "I am greatly offended by your blog. Please pause to evaluate what action you are claiming isn't barbaric. How can you not call an action like cutting someone's head off, in addition to filming it, barbaric. Moreover, they gleefully held up his head to the camera and then dumped his body by the site of road. You exhibit an extreme lack of compassion." I wouldn't have had an issue. But instead, he typed before he thought, acted purely on emotion, and did not add anything valuable to the discussion.

Brad, it's your responsibility to serve as an example for other bloggers. I hope I can find a blog site whose creator can deal with their emotions appropriately

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on May 21, 2004
Shouting was never outlawed on this site. When used in isolation the ALL CAPS SHOUT serves as a useful emphasis tool. Now if brad were using all caps as every article title or 1 out of every 2 comments maybe your argument would have merit. As it stand you simply seem to be a bit petualnt that someone disagreed withyou and pointed out a rather obvious flaw in your particular issue. Too bad.
on May 21, 2004
Did you bother to read my entire article? Shouting wasn't the only issue.
on May 21, 2004
The thing you fail to forget is that Brad is human, and has human emotions, flaws, and quirks just like the rest of us.  I think that people put him up on a pedestal and hold him to some kind of perceived higher standard, and I don't think that's fair.  I recall the incident that you're talking about, and it was on the day that Nick Berg's execution tape was released, only hours in fact, after it was shown on TV and the internet.  I won't ask you how you expected him to react because you've already given an example of that...but I will say that I don't think it fair of you to judge him on this one response.
on May 21, 2004
Oh, and the title of the article, and the question that you posed within it was : How can we call them barbarians?  I think his statement answered that pretty plainly.
on May 21, 2004
I'd like to chime in to say that I actually trolled that comment from Brad. In my opinion, it added exactly zero to the ongoing discussion, and was akin to my five year old running into the house saying that his brother wouldn't share. I don't care if Brad made this site, or if he's an admin...but he's made a few comments on articles that were nothing short of just poking his head in the door and saying "Fuck you". And those are the kinds of replies I troll. He's made some really good comments too, and those are the ones I mark insightful. If you don't have anything useful to say, you should just keep your trap shut until you do.

-- B
on May 21, 2004

How can we call them barbarians? I think his statement answered that pretty plainly.


yes i read your entire article and dharma sums it up perfectly.

on May 21, 2004
Hrm, a blog devoted to grumping about another blogger... The other blogger is an admin... The admin owns the site... The owner differs with you politically...

In the moments before you wrote this did you consider the fact that it would be totally pointless and reflect a lot more on you than Brad? Generally, if you want to deal with something someone says, where they said it is the place to do it. When you run off and make a verbose blog devoted to them it just looks cheesy and vindictive.

Word to the wise. When dealing with the beheading of innocent civilians, you should expect people to act on emotions, especially if you are soft on the practice. "All caps" here often translates to "your teeth on the floor" in other more social settings. I would suggest being a bit more diplomatic, and in terms of other people's sites, let the wookie win... or at least let the wookie be a wookie.
on May 21, 2004

in terms of other people's sites, let the wookie win...


I am so jealous you got to use this one before I did!

on May 21, 2004
I personally would have to agree with Darius on this, granted there was a lot of emotion flowing in that article... letting emotions wane... and stateing the facts and or opinion that Brad held on this in a civil tongue so to speak would have conveyed so much more. That I is all that I have to add to this foray

Thomas
on May 21, 2004
As long as Brad isn't abusing his power, I don't see anything wrong with his comments on other people's blogs.
on May 21, 2004

As long as Brad isn't abusing his power, I don't see anything wrong with his comments on other people's blogs.


Exactly.  Would you have raised such a fuss if I had come on your thread and left that comment instead of Brad?  No, I'm not admin, but the last time I checked my user rank was #2. If you're going to say that Brad should set an example for everyone else it really wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that I should be setting an example as well...as should everyone else in the top 10.


I think you should get over it, personally.

on May 21, 2004
Oh, and the title of the article, and the question that you posed within it was : How can we call them barbarians?  I think his statement answered that pretty plainly.

Don't be like that. So it's now ok to respond to only the title w/o reading and comprehending the entire article? Had you read the entire article (including the subheading), you would have seen that I only was referring to McCain's statement of calling them barbarians and then downplaying the actions of the Americans. My title could have been "How can we call them Barbarians but then call the American actions only instances of mistreatment?" But that was too long and there is a character limit. Responding to just the title and not bothering to analyze the entire article is pretty shallow. Besides that totally avoids the point. The point was not that he answered my question but that the manner in which he did it was totally inappropriate.

I don't care if Brad made this site, or if he's an admin...but he's made a few comments on articles that were nothing short of just poking his head in the door and saying "Fuck you".

Yes, that's about how I felt.

Hrm, a blog devoted to grumping about another blogger... The other blogger is an admin... The admin owns the site... The owner differs with you politically...

What's your point? If he want's to exile me that's fine, there are plenty of other blog sites.

In the moments before you wrote this did you consider the fact that it would be totally pointless and reflect a lot more on you than Brad? Generally, if you want to deal with something someone says, where they said it is the place to do it. When you run off and make a verbose blog devoted to them it just looks cheesy and vindictive.

I felt that it was important to do it in a separate place because it brought to light a part of Brad's personality that I feel should be shown. Besides, I have no problem reflecting on myself, I'm not afraid of who I am. Plus, it doesn't look as cheesy and Brad's comment was immature.

Word to the wise. When dealing with the beheading of innocent civilians, you should expect people to act on emotions, especially if you are soft on the practice. "All caps" here often translates to "your teeth on the floor" in other more social settings. I would suggest being a bit more diplomatic, and in terms of other people's sites, let the wookie win... or at least let the wookie be a wookie.

If someone feels like they should act on their emotions, I gave the example of what I would see as appropriate. I've been about as diplomatic as possible. I could have done something like Brad and said:

BRAD IS A FRIGGIN MORON BECUAUSE HE CAME TO MY BLOG AND ATTACKED ME AND TROLLED ME AND WAS A TOTAL IDIOT. LOOK AT HOW STUPID HIS COMMENT IS! IT DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE DISCUSSION AND IS JUST SUCKY AND STUPID. HE CAN'T EVEN USE GRAMMAR RIGHT IF HE CAN'T KEEP HIS STUPID OPINONS TO HIMSELF I'M GUNNA BLACKLIST HIM.

And I didn't do that because such an action would be totally immature and inappropriate, and it would get the wrong response. Sure it's his site, but he says he will let us write what we want. If he doesn't want us to give our opinions, he should say that.

Take this metaphor. Brad lives on a busy street corner in a big city, and one day stands on the corner handing out chalk to people, saying "write what's on your minds onto my sidewalk here." But when you write somthing, he starts yelling insults at you. That's how I feel here.

I am so jealous you got to use this one before I did!

Yeah, I thought it was cool comment too, even if I disagree with it.

I personally would have to agree with Darius on this, granted there was a lot of emotion flowing in that article... letting emotions wane... and stateing the facts and or opinion that Brad held on this in a civil tongue so to speak would have conveyed so much more.

Well put.

As long as Brad isn't abusing his power, I don't see anything wrong with his comments on other people's blogs.

You don't see anything wrong with trolling? Hmm....

Would you have raised such a fuss if I had come on your thread and left that comment instead of Brad?  No, I'm not admin, but the last time I checked my user rank was #2. If you're going to say that Brad should set an example for everyone else it really wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that I should be setting an example as well...as should everyone else in the top 10.

Yeah, I probably would have made some rant about how the points system is totally misrepresentative about the quality of people who make the comments. Though that would have been more of a rant against the points system, not the concept admins. The difference between that and what Brad did is that Brad has control over this site. How can you trust an Admin if he trolls you? Seriously, if you went somewhere else, and an Admin trolled you, would you at least feel a little put out?
on May 21, 2004

Yeah, I probably would have made some rant about how the points system is totally misrepresentative about the quality of people who make the comments.


That sounds like a diss, so I'll take it as such and respond in kind.  I think you have a hell of a nerve criticizing anyone else's 'quality' of writing when you post things like 'why is little brother so incredibly annoying' and other standard teenage fare. I normally don't criticize other people's writing because I churn out some real drivel myself at times...but you dissed me, so you're fair game as far as I"m concerned.


Sounds to me like you should have thought out a better title and body for your article before you posted it, and I also think that you should re-think your definition of trolling.  You asked a question.  Brad answered your question.  Emotionally, but he answered.


 

on May 21, 2004
That sounds like a diss, so I'll take it as such and respond in kind.

Yay for misinterpreting my comments! I'm saying I would diss you if you were as immature as Brad. Remember, you said: Would you have raised such a fuss if I had come on your thread and left that comment instead of Brad?

That is what I was referring to. As it is you didn't. I'm not saying that the points system is misrepresentative or that. I have no reason to insult you, because frankly your comments generally have been very intelligent and pretty well thought out. You are acting as if I insulted you when I never did. Thanks.

Oh, and by the way, the "you can't criticize other people's work when your's isn't good" is one of the least thought out arguments I've ever heard (ok... now I just insulted you, if mildly). Imagine if I said the [Insert a poor Sports team here] were not very good. Are you going to say "You can't say they aren't very good when you would loose to them any day." Your argument confuses the skills of reading and writing by saying "since your writing is commonplace... that must mean your reading skills are weak too." This may be true, but the argument you presented is totally invalid (now I'm fair game to insult )
on May 22, 2004
I think this is just repeating what dharma said but here goes anyway:

I think of Brad as two seperate people (maybe he's a gemini.) One person is the creator and administrator of JU. He does an excellent job of this....generally doesnt interfere with people unless they get really out of line. I will be eternally grateful to him for this fantastic site. He and the team have put a lot of work into it and we get to use it for nothing. How good is that?

The other Brad is the same as any other poster here and I believe he expects his articles to be treated as such.....you will see some pretty scathing comments on some of his posts same as anyone else.
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